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Post by bangkokbobby on Aug 2, 2016 1:17:01 GMT
Whoa! I didn't see tonyj suggest the possibility of Ariya winning 8 times next year! Even I don't think that! I'm so sure that won't happen that if it does happen in 2017 I will post a video on my blog of me getting a Cristie Kerr tattoo! Now that would be funny.. I don't see 8 wins next year being out of the question at all, it's not inconceivable that Ariya will win 8 times this year, she's won 4 of the last 11 and there's 10 (maybe 11) to go. I won't back out of that bet but I will say I have been looking up temporary tattoo options! Look, I would LOVE to be wrong, but Yani, Inbee, Lydia, Se Ri, Karrie...in their best years didn't win 8 times. Ochoa did it. The rest of the players who have done that have names like Sorenstam, Lopez, Whitworth, Wright, etc. I am a bigger fan of Ariya than all other active players, save Wiesy, NYC and Se Ri, put together. And if you include Wiesy, NYC and Se Ri, I'm still pretty close to being a bigger fan of May than the others put together. But I just can't yet bring myself to compare Ariya favorably to Ochoa, Sorenstam, Wright and others like them just yet. Way too early. However, if she does it and I have to get the tattoo then I will be a very happy loser 😁 ...and yes, I'll get the trophy kissing design! 😂
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Post by philknj on Aug 2, 2016 1:41:11 GMT
I don't see the Smiling Buddha fawning over Brooke, Alena, RLB, Sue Kim, etc....heck....he's only seen Brooke play 3 practice holes as a LPGA member and has never watched Alena, RLB, Sue play one hole. He also doesn't care for Lori Kane and things Mike Weir is lame and aloof. Poor Weirsy...relegated to the broadcasting booth this past weekend...hasn't made a dime in nine official starts this year...has to wait four years for the Champions Tour, but I'm not sure he could compete with those guys now. I saw this 2nd Round shot by Jason Day on TV live and thought it was funny...I'm glad someone posted it:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 4:13:18 GMT
Jason Day seems like a creep to me-- a real phony. Not as bad as Jimmy Walker but comparable to most elite men players. He's a coward not to play in the Olympics. A real coward.
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 2, 2016 7:01:48 GMT
You bring up some interesting points. You have nothing to worry about as a fan of the Korean players because you have so much depth. They are going to win more events during the year than any country just based on pure numbers. It may seem like a bad year to you but they lead with 6 victories this year. Hell, you should have 24 players going to Rio not 4. I sat in the media room at the International Crown with the Korean team and thought to myself, This team is so good, and they are missing their highest ranked player (Inbee Park). The whole team could have taken sick the day before and you could have flown in players like Ha Na, Hyo Joo, Sung Hyun, etc., and that team would still be better than most teams. That said, you are missing that one young star that can finish. I always feel that players like NYC, Amy Yang, and So Yeon Ryu, should have so many more wins if they didn't let so many slip away. Yes, 6 wins, but only two since April, and no Majors. They didn't even win the Crown, which should have heavily favored them thanks to their depth. Things are not as bad as they seem in a way. It goes to show just what a keystone Inbee Park has been to the Koreans. Since the start of 2013, the Sisters have won 8 Majors; SIX of those were Inbee. Only In Gee and Hyo Joo have managed Majors besides. When you look at it that way, it's not so surprising they have been lagging in the big events this year. And they came pretty close to closing out ANA and the US Women's Open, and even the British could have gone Mirim's way with one or two more mistakes by Ariya. This period seems a bit like 2012, just before Inbee started her rise to superstardom. The question then was, could one of those consistent Koreans take her game to the next level? If so, would it be NYC? Jiyai? Inky? Rookie So Yeon Ryu? Hee Kyung Seo? Inbee seemed like the third or fourth option. I think there are several stars who could take it to the next level: Hyo Joo, In Gee, Ha Na, Sei Young, Sung Hyun. It will be interesting to see which one(s) get there. I'm not giving up yet!
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 2, 2016 7:11:25 GMT
Grace Park is the Queen, can do no wrong and not only is a real Seoul Sister but should be on the Mt. Rushmore of Seoul Sisters, along with Inbee, Jiyai and, if course, Se Ri! 😂 Okay, now that the Grace fanboy in me has spoken, I can't agree that the Sisters let this one get away. Maybe if that were Inbee chasing Ariya, then yes. In that scenario, Inbee playing as Mirim did would be out of character. But Inbee is Inbee for a reason just as Mirim is Mirim for a reason. Ariya didn't completely implode like Honda (when Inbee was the beneficiary) or ANA. We can play the what if game with Mirim, but we could do the same with Jutanugarn. What if she didn't get greedy and miss the green short in the bunker on 9? That's when she started to get tight, long before the double bogey on 13. I will agree, as I've already posted, that it's not appropriate to call Thailand a threat to the Seoul Sisters at this point any more than Taiwan was a threat when Yani was winning...and that would have been closer considering there were other Taiwanese tournament wins like Candie Kung. Ariya has no company in official wins. Maybe some want somebody other than Seoul Sisters to dominate. Keep waiting. Now, as I posted, there are some talented up and coming players like Muangkumsakul. They might sneak up on Americans because some of them, like her, turned pro very young. She turned pro at 14, unlike Ariya and Seoul Sister Grace Park whom you saw coming from miles away because of their amateur dominance. Let's not forget that Mirim once faced down Inbee herself in a playoff, and also beat Stacy Lewis, then near the top of her powers, in a mano-a-mano battle in China for her second win. This is a gal who has shown she can win against top competition. And Ariya has shown she can make really lame shots in buckets, and not so long ago (let's not forget the recent Farr debacle). I know Ariya is one of the golden children according to the press, but I really could have seen this one go either way. The problem is that Mirim is not at the top of her game (injuries killed her in 2015 and she is only now returning to form), and couple that with Ariya really making only a couple of mistakes, and there you go.
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Post by bangkokbobby on Aug 2, 2016 13:31:19 GMT
Grace Park is the Queen, can do no wrong and not only is a real Seoul Sister but should be on the Mt. Rushmore of Seoul Sisters, along with Inbee, Jiyai and, if course, Se Ri! 😂 Okay, now that the Grace fanboy in me has spoken, I can't agree that the Sisters let this one get away. Maybe if that were Inbee chasing Ariya, then yes. In that scenario, Inbee playing as Mirim did would be out of character. But Inbee is Inbee for a reason just as Mirim is Mirim for a reason. Ariya didn't completely implode like Honda (when Inbee was the beneficiary) or ANA. We can play the what if game with Mirim, but we could do the same with Jutanugarn. What if she didn't get greedy and miss the green short in the bunker on 9? That's when she started to get tight, long before the double bogey on 13. I will agree, as I've already posted, that it's not appropriate to call Thailand a threat to the Seoul Sisters at this point any more than Taiwan was a threat when Yani was winning...and that would have been closer considering there were other Taiwanese tournament wins like Candie Kung. Ariya has no company in official wins. Maybe some want somebody other than Seoul Sisters to dominate. Keep waiting. Now, as I posted, there are some talented up and coming players like Muangkumsakul. They might sneak up on Americans because some of them, like her, turned pro very young. She turned pro at 14, unlike Ariya and Seoul Sister Grace Park whom you saw coming from miles away because of their amateur dominance. Let's not forget that Mirim once faced down Inbee herself in a playoff, and also beat Stacy Lewis, then near the top of her powers, in a mano-a-mano battle in China for her second win. This is a gal who has shown she can win against top competition. And Ariya has shown she can make really lame shots in buckets, and not so long ago (let's not forget the recent Farr debacle). I know Ariya is one of the golden children according to the press, but I really could have seen this one go either way. The problem is that Mirim is not at the top of her game (injuries killed her in 2015 and she is only now returning to form), and couple that with Ariya really making only a couple of mistakes, and there you go. And you can also say Ariya has won 3 consecutive events and is the only... ONLY...player in LPGA history to have made their first 3 wins consecutive. And despite her history of faltering in tight moments, Ariya has held 54-hole leads in 4 events this year. Whether she made it more interesting than necessary, she has won all 4 times. Her history has been repeated so often that kind of under the radar she is building a new history of closing out leads. Sure, you can pick out tournaments where Mirim played well. We can pick out tournaments where (fill in the blank) played well. If we see everything through the prism of how the Seoul Sisters perform, it can lead to confirmation bias in assessing scenarios. Put it this way, if the roles were reversed I doubt you would say Ariya let this one get away when at no time did she ever catch Mirim. It would be all about how Mirim came through in a high pressure situation. Mirim is a good, very good, LPGA player. We'll see if she can be great. But she ain't Inbee. Sure, with enough data points, Ramsey Theory, you can find a pattern or occurance of her beating Inbee on this day or Lydia on that day. Heck, she beat Lydia on Sunday. Lots of people did. You can find times where all time greats were stared down and lost in playoffs. I can find instances when Michelle Wie finished better than Annika and Yani and Inbee and...well, you know.
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 2, 2016 16:46:59 GMT
I like to comment about Grace Park being called a fake Korean. She spent a lot of time in the U.S, however she always played under the Korean flag. Lydia parents decided to sell her talent to New Zealand. Even though she was born in Korea she considers herself (probably for payback)a New Zealander. Lydia probably had little say in the matter, she is just not going against her parents wishes. With that said I really like Lydia. Inbee Park has been in America about as long as Grace Park (I think she moved here at age 12) and went to high school in Las Vegas. But she is 100% Korean. Gloria Park and to a lesser degree Amy Yang went to school in Australia, but the same thing applies.
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 2, 2016 16:51:31 GMT
I would hold off my coronation of Henderson. Right now she had a hot streak and sneaked into a Major win. Because of the total number of tournaments she has played, the Rolex Ranking devisor helps her. After next year, when she has played a lot more tournaments. If she is still top five. I will feel that she is one of the top players. Nothing about her game impresses me. I agree 100%. I'm not even so sure about Ariya (those ten missed cuts are still fresh in my mind), but Henderson I definitely think has more to prove. If one is going to knock down In Gee for not winning this year when she won a Major and 7 other international events last year, I'm not sure you can say Henderson is much better. Yeah, she has three wins, but two came in very weak fields in Portland. And both are about the same in terms of top fives/top tens (Henderson has more top tens, but In Gee more top threes).
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 2, 2016 16:54:55 GMT
Whoa! I didn't see tonyj suggest the possibility of Ariya winning 8 times next year! Even I don't think that! I'm so sure that won't happen that if it does happen in 2017 I will post a video on my blog of me getting a Cristie Kerr tattoo! Yeah, just to keep this in perspective: Neither Se Ri nor Inbee has ever managed an 8 win season (I don't think Ko, Karrie Webb, Ya Ni or Lorena have, either, but feel free to correct me). Edit: Apparently Lorena did it.
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 2, 2016 17:02:26 GMT
Jason Day seems like a creep to me-- a real phony. Not as bad as Jimmy Walker but comparable to most elite men players. He's a coward not to play in the Olympics. A real coward. I've tried from time to time to watch men's golf, but I just don't like any of the PGA stars. They all seem to have this uber entitled attitude. To be fair, I don't know them that well and am probably wrong, but it sure is more fun watching the ladies. And yeah, copping out of the Olympics is a real bush league move. Not surprising it was mostly guys who did it; not enough pampering for their tastes. I think those guys would pass a kidney stone if they had to put up with some of the courses the ladies play.
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 2, 2016 17:15:06 GMT
Let's not forget that Mirim once faced down Inbee herself in a playoff, and also beat Stacy Lewis, then near the top of her powers, in a mano-a-mano battle in China for her second win. This is a gal who has shown she can win against top competition. And Ariya has shown she can make really lame shots in buckets, and not so long ago (let's not forget the recent Farr debacle). I know Ariya is one of the golden children according to the press, but I really could have seen this one go either way. The problem is that Mirim is not at the top of her game (injuries killed her in 2015 and she is only now returning to form), and couple that with Ariya really making only a couple of mistakes, and there you go. And you can also say Ariya has won 3 consecutive events and is the only... ONLY...player in LPGA history to have made their first 3 wins consecutive. And despite her history of faltering in tight moments, Ariya has held 54-hole leads in 4 events this year. Whether she made it more interesting than necessary, she has won all 4 times. Her history has been repeated so often that kind of under the radar she is building a new history if closing out leads. Sure, you can pick out tournaments where Mirim played well. We can pick out tournaments where (fill in the blank) played well. If we see everything through the prism of how the Seoul Sisters perform, it can lead to confirmation bias in assessing scenarios. Put it this way, if the roles were reversed I doubt you would say Ariya let this one get away when at no time did she ever catch Mirim. It would be all about how Mirim came through in a high pressure situation. Mirim is a good, very good, LPGA player. We'll see if she can be great. But she ain't Inbee. Sure, with enough data points, Ramsey Theory, you can find a pattern or occurance of her beating Inbee on this day or Lydia on that day. Heck, she beat Lydia on Sunday. Lots of people did. You can find times where all time greats were started down and lost in playoffs. I can find instances when Michelle Wie finished better than Annika and Yani and Inbee and...well, you know. My point is that, unlike some other talented second tier Korean golfers, Mirim has shown she can handle pressure against a top player and come out on top. Yeah, Inbee probably wasn't at her tip top best that day, but she has won events before with her B game. Mirim didn't let her get away with that. And that was her first LPGA win. It is not common for a newbie to beat the top player on tour in a playoff for her first win, you must admit. Now, you say Ariya had proved she can win -- but NOT IN MAJORS. That was a big question, and as Lydia showed, it can take a while to get over the hump in that scenario (her first win came years before her Major breakthrough). Yes, Ariya (and Brooke and Lydia and Brittany) have been a bit fortunate that this year they have not had to face the usual Inbee Park, who round about this time of year tends to collect Majors by the bushel. You could say Ariya hung on, made a clutch birdie and won. That's legit. It's also legit to say that, after putting pressure on her for several holes, Mirim didn't keep the pressure up on 16 and 17, and that gave Ariya a break that poor old Jin Young Ko did not get last year from Inbee. But give Mirim some credit: she has shown a knack for making great shots when she needs them most (the terrible pitch that hit the flag being an absurd example. Remember the par save from the rocks in China? I'm sure Lewis does). Though she didn't pull it off, I could have seen it happening.
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Post by HappyFan on Aug 3, 2016 6:35:15 GMT
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Post by argonne69 on Aug 3, 2016 15:49:33 GMT
Sigh. In Gee really needs to put on a skort more often.
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