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Post by don on Jun 27, 2023 4:06:56 GMT
Bottom line is that Rose has delivered all year, including this week by making a Sunday charge. The slipper doesn’t fit Nelly, Lexi or Cupshow, the other most famous American golfers, when it comes to GIC hype-ability.
I don’t know how much hype she deserves but someone would have to explain to me why her 68 something college avg doesn’t portend greatness.
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Post by tonyj500 on Jun 27, 2023 4:09:42 GMT
Has anyone seen a printable field listing for this event?
The USGA site has a listing with players pictures that is impossible to print.
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Post by tonyj500 on Jun 27, 2023 4:24:00 GMT
Ignore above question about printable field list...that was supposed to be posted on US Open thread.
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Post by haneymademedoit on Jun 27, 2023 5:58:11 GMT
The LPGA Tour is disrespecting them by making a Golfer fresh out of college the face of the LPGA. Bingo. For God's sake, I know they're desperate for an American star, but take it back a notch! Actually there's plenty of American stars or near-stars, beyond Lexi (I haven't won in four years) and Nelly (I'm injured) and Jessica (I'm Nelly's sister). For example, Lilia Vu ("I love you") who has two wins this year including a major. What about Megan Khang, she finished T3 at KPMG and I believe that she will win someday. I think that her family emigrated from Vietnam and sacrificed to give her the opportunity to be a professional golfer. If I'm wrong then someone please correct me. If I'm right, then someone please elaborate. THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM! What could be more American? I know, Lilia and Megan don't 'look American.' Ok, let me name someone else who 'looks American' with her blonde hair, a non-Asian-American, Sarah Schmelzel. She finished T13 at the KPMG, same as Brooke. She's been on the tour since 2019. Each year she manages to finish as high as 6, one year 3, in her best tournament. She had a bad first round at the KPMG but it was her only round over par. How many golfers had only one round over par? (Before Sunday, only Maguire and Boutier had no rounds over par, and both were over par on Sunday.) Wouldn't that be a 'feel good' story, American golfer Sarah Schmelzel in the hunt for her first tour victory? Hope to see that someday...
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Post by argonne69 on Jun 27, 2023 10:33:29 GMT
Bingo. For God's sake, I know they're desperate for an American star, but take it back a notch! Actually there's plenty of American stars or near-stars, beyond Lexi (I haven't won in four years) and Nelly (I'm injured) and Jessica (I'm Nelly's sister). For example, Lilia Vu ("I love you") who has two wins this year including a major. What about Megan Khang, she finished T3 at KPMG and I believe that she will win someday. I think that her family emigrated from Vietnam and sacrificed to give her the opportunity to be a professional golfer. If I'm wrong then someone please correct me. If I'm right, then someone please elaborate. THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM! What could be more American? I know, Lilia and Megan don't 'look American.' Ok, let me name someone else who 'looks American' with her blonde hair, a non-Asian-American, Sarah Schmelzel. She finished T13 at the KPMG, same as Brooke. She's been on the tour since 2019. Each year she manages to finish as high as 6, one year 3, in her best tournament. She had a bad first round at the KPMG but it was her only round over par. How many golfers had only one round over par? (Before Sunday, only Maguire and Boutier had no rounds over par, and both were over par on Sunday.) Wouldn't that be a 'feel good' story, American golfer Sarah Schmelzel in the hunt for her first tour victory? Hope to see that someday...
Megan's parents are from Laos. |
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Post by philknj on Jun 27, 2023 15:16:08 GMT
Bottom line is that Rose has delivered all year, including this week by making a Sunday charge. The slipper doesn’t fit Nelly, Lexi or Cupshow, the other most famous American golfers, when it comes to GIC hype-ability. I don’t know how much hype she deserves but someone would have to explain to me why her 68 something college avg doesn’t portend greatness.
Golfstat.com has college golf stats for the 2022-23 season ... The Zhangster "Adjusted Scoring Average" is 68.77 and no one is in the 69s! The next highest player is Julia Lopez Ramirez of Miss St. at 70.09 ... that's a five-shot difference in a four-round event. She would be seven shots better than Rachel Kuehn, who didn't make the cut at Meijer. So what if the other U.S. LPGAers are butt-hurt about the hype ... play better!
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Memo to the ex-Van City correspondent ... I have full-swing videos on my phone of the two pillars of golf's Sinosphere ... the verdict:
Ronnie > The Zhangster
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Post by SoYeonFan on Jun 27, 2023 15:46:13 GMT
Jin Young Ko just broke Lorina Ochoa for the most weeks at number one.
Shouldn't she get a little mention as the face of the LPGA the so call global tour.
By the way second in scoring average, greens in regulation two wins this year.
They didn't have any problem with making Anika the face of the LPGA and she isn't American.
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Post by SoYeonFan on Jun 27, 2023 16:24:47 GMT
OK, Anika was a bad choice because she deserved every accolade.
However they made Brooke Henderson the face of the LPGA so don't give me that College average #######.
There only criteria for the face of the LPGA is never Asian
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 27, 2023 17:32:45 GMT
So what you're saying is that suddenly, on Sunday, everyone got much better? Because it rained, magic happened?  Just because a few players played poorly on Sunday does not change the fact that the average was way better. There are always going to be a few who can't make enough putts to hang in the putting contests. And I didn't say that the leaders were nobodies, I said that they were second tier stars. Which they were. Most of the big stars were already out of it or didn't produce putts on Sunday. Which happens a lot on the LPGA these days alas. |
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Post by 18majors on Jun 27, 2023 17:46:47 GMT
And I didn't say that the leaders were nobodies, I said that they were second tier stars. Which they were. Most of the big stars were already out of it or didn't produce putts on Sunday. Which happens a lot on the LPGA these days alas. If Ruoning Yin isn't a star, who is it? She's 20 years old, world #5 and she's earned the second most Rolex points in 2023: Players who've earned the most Rolex points in 2023: 1 Lilia Vu 200.18 2 Ruoning Yin 192.90 3 Jin Young Ko 178.99 4 Ayaka Furue 126.00 5 Georgia Hall 124.16 6 Nelly Korda 120.90 7 Celine Boutier 112.95 8 Ashleigh Buhai 112.85 9 Aditi Ashok 108.97 10 Yuka Saso 104.60 |
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 27, 2023 17:54:52 GMT
Jin Young Ko just broke Lorina Ochoa for the most weeks at number one. Shouldn't she get a little mention as the face of the LPGA the so call global tour. By the way second in scoring average, greens in regulation two wins this year. They didn't have any problem with making Anika the face of the LPGA and she isn't American. It's interesting to watch how the media and the LPGA minimize what she has done. Imagine Zhang, Wie, Henderson, Thompson or any of their other chosen favorites had made 114 straight holes without a bogey or hit 63 greens in a row or had 34 straight under par rounds. They would do everything in their power to make that player the face of the tour. Instead, they keep trying to change the focus. Sometimes it's by completely ignoring Ko. Sometimes, it's "yeah that's nice, but check out the stats on this new (Solheim qualifying) star!" Anne van Dam! (remember that?) Fassi! Henderson! Grant! Now Zhang. That's not to say that Zhang or some of those others won't be great. But I don't put a lot of stock in Rose's college record as overwhelming evidence. She was there far too long, long after she should have turned pro and stopped beating up on lesser opponents on courses set up for players who couldn't imagine having a career in pro golf. That's like Inbee Park being on the Epson tour when she could and should be playing on the LPGA. Yeah, she can smash all sorts of records, but what's the point? I feel the same way about Min Ji Park. The time has come for her to put her money where her mouth is. 18 KLPGA wins? Sure, great, that's certainly been a better indicator in the past 20 years of potential greatness than college record, but let's see how you do on the LPGA! The Open will be a good test to see just how for-real she is. And I like Min Ji, but you can see I'm not entirely buying her as the next great star yet. |
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 27, 2023 18:02:32 GMT
Yin is massively promising, but I don't personally believe she is the 5th best player in the world (yet). She has four career top tens on the LPGA, and has played only 25 counting events in the current two-year cycle, many of which were Epson tour or CLPGA. That's less than half of what most of the stars have done. Do you think that can compare to some of the other top ten players, who have dozens of top tens/multiple wins in 50+ tournaments?
Even when a KLPGA star would win a Major as her first LPGA win she usually had several years of top level competition behind her on the KLPGA and several LPGA near misses. In Gee nearly won an LPGA event the previous year, for instance, before her Open win. And she had 8 worldwide wins in 2015, 5 of which were Majors on various tours. Even so, I think 9th in the world ended up being her ranking, and that was about right. Oh, and In Gee turned 21 in mid-2015, so she was pretty much the same age as Yin.
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Post by philknj on Jun 27, 2023 20:25:53 GMT
If JTibs had shot 68 or better on Sunday (like twenty other players did), this thread would have ended yesterday.   Had she shot 69 (like nine other players did), she gets into the playoff and the complaints end, well, there are no complaints.
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More stats to chew on: Without a significant change in the 18-hole yardage, the average score on the back nine Sunday was 36.013, which was higher than Saturday's 36.000. However, the players made hay on the front nine Sunday with a score of 34.887 ... it was 35.582 on Saturday. How can favorable weather affect only nine out of eighteen holes? Keep in mind that they had split tee with threesomes on Sunday versus twosomes going off at #1 starting much earlier on Saturday ... how that made a difference, I don't know ... I think we're in sports psychologist territory now. Riddle me this: Why did the worst weather day (Friday) and longest setup (6575 yards) have an average score of 73.922, which was lower than Thursday's 74.200? I don't think the usual dumbing down theories applied this week.
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Post by SoYeonFan on Jun 27, 2023 23:26:37 GMT
If JTibs had shot 68 or better on Sunday (like twenty other players did), this thread would have ended yesterday. Had she shot 69 (like nine other players did), she gets into the playoff and the complaints end, well, there are no complaints.
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bing down theories applied this week.
I for one never made an excuse about why Jenny didn't win. Ruoning Yin had a great Tournament and deserved to win. My complaint was the course was dumbed down the Final Round. Also all the praise they heaped on Rose for shooting sixty-seven. When there were twelve scores of sixty-seven or better the Final Round. Round one there was four scores of sixty-seven or better, round two three and round three five. Round four twelve, so if the course wasn't playing easier. The golfers must have had an epiphany to enable them to score a lot better than the first three days. |
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Post by philknj on Jun 28, 2023 12:56:40 GMT
Yin is massively promising, but I don't personally believe she is the 5th best player in the world (yet). She has four career top tens on the LPGA, and has played only 25 counting events in the current two-year cycle, many of which were Epson tour or CLPGA. That's less than half of what most of the stars have done. Do you think that can compare to some of the other top ten players, who have dozens of top tens/multiple wins in 50+ tournaments?
If you're getting hung up on the "25 counting events", you're forgetting that players who were in fewer than 35 events in the last 24 months will get a denominator of 35 in the Rolex average points calculation ... otherwise, Ronnie would be #2 right now, right behind The Zhangster. |
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Had she shot 69 (like nine other players did), she gets into the playoff and