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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 0:34:38 GMT
Nothing official yet. It has been discussed and you can bet it will happen sooner than later. They top 100 from money list and and top 10 from Symetra will be guaranteed cards. Then 101 and above and 11-50 or so from Symetra will compete in a 3 event playoff in Florida (probably in late November, early December). The top 40 or so will receive playing cards. It may not be exactly like I described above....but you get the idea. It will happen....it's just a matter of when. Don't mind the concept per se but with so many players coming from Asia it would seem to make it a very difficult decision for a top player to attempt it. Imagine SHP running around on the Symetra? Almost laughable not to mention incredibly expensive for her. Given she wouldn't make much money in the US she would have to continually fly back to Korea to avoid giving up earnings from the previous year. I guess they would still have the win avenue, it would almost be smarter for them to get invites to Aus or Portland or any other lesser event and try to get a win. edit: Like HF said!
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Post by 18majors on Sept 8, 2016 0:47:25 GMT
Yeah... It does sound like a pretty effective way to prevent KLPGA golfers from even trying out for the tour. I can't recall too many who have come over from Korea and played on the Symetra Tour. Can you imagine world #12 Sung Hyun Park, who has already made more than a million dollars in Korea this season (and that doesn't include what she's earned on the LPGA, where she would be 29th on the money list if her earnings counted) - can you imagine her investing a season to play for 100 grand? A slightly different topic; isn't Sung Hyun Park a shoo-in for LPGA membership via "Non-member Top 40" rule? Non-Member Top 40: Non-Members who, as of the conclusion of the last Official Tournament of the previous year, won an amount of money during such year in Official Tournaments with a cut, that is equal to or greater than the amount of official money won by the Member who was in 40th place on the Money List at that time. Priority based on the amount of money won in such tournaments. A player must be eligible for and accept LPGA membership to be included in this category
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 1:28:49 GMT
A slightly different topic; isn't Sung Hyun Park a shoo-in for LPGA membership via "Non-member Top 40" rule? Non-Member Top 40: Non-Members who, as of the conclusion of the last Official Tournament of the previous year, won an amount of money during such year in Official Tournaments with a cut, that is equal to or greater than the amount of official money won by the Member who was in 40th place on the Money List at that time. Priority based on the amount of money won in such tournaments. A player must be eligible for and accept LPGA membership to be included in this category I wouldn't say she's a soo-in just yet, she's sitting on $394k, the last couple of years 40th has been $417k and $447k. This year it's already at $345k with 6 or so guaranteed money events to go. A solid result at Evian should make it so though.
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Post by mr3putt on Sept 8, 2016 2:26:32 GMT
This whole eliminating LPGA Q-school is a JOKE. I've said before they should terminate the Symetra tour.....it's a tour for the delusional. Many of the premier LPGA stars have come from Q school....not the Symetra.
LPGA Q school is a cash cow for the LPGA.
Have Symetra put their cash towards sponsoring an event in Seattle....their HQ location. I know...Sahalee is a pipe dream as a permanent host course....but Meridian Valley is a good course that hosted the Safeco...assuming it would host an event....it would play well from the tips....72.9/135.
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Post by verdantgarden on Sept 8, 2016 3:26:04 GMT
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Post by philknj on Sept 8, 2016 4:21:42 GMT
They are going to do that? Wow.. It would likely destroy the LPGA within a few years if they basically exclude players from the countries where their money comes from. How long would corporate Korea put up with that? What player in their right mind is going to spend a year in the wilderness of the Symetra with the chance to make maybe $150k when they've been pulling $500k+ a year at home or close to home? Not to mention putting Top 20-50 RR players into the Symetra tour reduces the opportunities for up and comers to get through.. Lose lose all round for me, good for the KLPGA and JLPGA though! Nothing official yet. It has been discussed and you can bet it will happen sooner than later. They top 100 from money list and and top 10 from Symetra will be guaranteed cards. Then 101 and above and 11-50 or so from Symetra will compete in a 3 event playoff in Florida (probably in late November, early December). The top 40 or so will receive playing cards. It may not be exactly like I described above....but you get the idea. It will happen....it's just a matter of when. It looks like the LPGA secretly re-hired Carolyn Bivens to run their competition committee. Eliminating Q-School is utterly ludicrous. By my estimate they pulled in $855K in fees from the suckers players in Stage One. I estimate they'll collect another $780K from Stage Two (92 qualifiers * $3000 and 126 new players * $4000). It's way too early to estimate what they'll collect from Stage Three. I haven't studied the history of Q-school vs. Symetra qualifiers, but I'm inclined to agree that the Q-schoolers do better on the big tour.
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Post by HappyFan on Sept 8, 2016 5:59:13 GMT
"Park has often said while the U.S. tour is in her future, she has zero intention of entering the Q-School."
Interesting. I suspect that she will be at Q-School this year if she doesn't win an LPGA event first. Which may be moot if she plays Evian or Hana Bank as well as she has been playing her recent KLPGA starts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 11:10:54 GMT
That's a great article but the reality is if Hyo Joo, Ha Na, Q Beak, Sei Young et el had stayed at home SHP wouldn't have earned half of what she has this year which would put her far behind her JLPGA/LPGA peers. Not to say she couldn't earn a great living at home but, for now, it's not where the real money is. That said they still have to perform on the big tour to make real money so nothing is a given
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 11:13:39 GMT
"Park has often said while the U.S. tour is in her future, she has zero intention of entering the Q-School." Interesting. I suspect that she will be at Q-School this year if she doesn't win an LPGA event first. Which may be moot if she plays Evian or Hana Bank as well as she has been playing her recent KLPGA starts. I hope she earns enough at Evian and Hana Bank and takes up her earned membership, she would be missed if she decides to stay home..
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Post by HappyFan on Sept 8, 2016 16:48:01 GMT
I just thought of another reason why killing Q School will destroy Korean interest in the LPGA.
Not only would a player like Sung Hyun Park make a fraction of the money she makes in Korea, but playing a year on the Symetra, no matter how well she does, would destroy her world ranking. Which in turn would make it harder to get into the Major fields (and the Majors who invite based on KLPGA money list position would also no longer give them entry, although those are often based on the previous year, so they might get a pass, as long as the player no longer has to be a full time member to get the exemption).
Plus some sponsorship deals grant bonuses for achieving world ranking levels, and those would go away as well.
(this would especially hurt the KLPGA golfers a little farther down the money list who might be considering coming to America. Someone who is, say 5th on the KLPGA money list, would have a world ranking just low enough that her ability to qualify for big events would be severely impacted if her ranking fell. Park is probably safe, given how high her ranking is currently).
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Post by mr3putt on Sept 8, 2016 18:19:23 GMT
Let's not just focus on the Koreans. How about all the Thai players or really talented NCAA Am's, etc, etc who can likely get through Q school in 1 or 2 tries who have to slum it on the Symetra.
Until the mainly white bread blue blood Merican WASP's BoD's all get canned....they'll continue to support Whan trying to shut out the REAL talent.
Dissolve the Symetra.....nuff said.
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Post by HappyFan on Sept 9, 2016 5:20:16 GMT
The Thai players don't make as much money on their tour as the Koreans; and the Japanese aren't that interested in coming over. It's really the Koreans who would be the most impacted.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 6:28:46 GMT
"Park has often said while the U.S. tour is in her future, she has zero intention of entering the Q-School." Interesting. I suspect that she will be at Q-School this year if she doesn't win an LPGA event first. Which may be moot if she plays Evian or Hana Bank as well as she has been playing her recent KLPGA starts. I hope she earns enough at Evian and Hana Bank and takes up her earned membership, she would be missed if she decides to stay home.. On second thought the Hana Bank money isn't likely to count given it's a no cut event, unless she wins that one SHP will have to get it done at Evian..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 6:34:41 GMT
The Thai players don't make as much money on their tour as the Koreans; and the Japanese aren't that interested in coming over. It's really the Koreans who would be the most impacted. The Koreans would have the most to lose for sure but any international player would have to foot the bill of a full year on the Symetra with little to no chance of covering costs and no guarantee of a card, that's a whole lot more expensive than a tilt at Q School. I think it would hurt all Internationals.
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