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Post by mr3putt on Sept 6, 2016 3:16:34 GMT
but I suspect top star like In Gee earns much higher sponsor income than Bo Mee. Bo Mee and SKY may prefer the freedom and JLPGA's style of living, may have nothing to do with higher income. I think Hite got Dumbo on the cheap before her USWO win....supposedly Ping doesn't pay well inless your name is Bubba the Clown or Westwwod. I think Smile Candy might make the same amount of endorsement money like Dumbo. I think SKY plays the JLPGA cause she doesn't have the confidence to try and compete on the LPGA.
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Post by HappyFan on Sept 6, 2016 6:36:52 GMT
The KLPGA for about twenty years of its roughly 35 year history was a minor league tour with less than a dozen events a year. Then Se Ri came along and showed that is was possible for a Korean star to become huge on the American tour. Suddenly, the players who were playing on the KLPGA saw another, better way to make money. And as top names continued to go over and succeed in the States, the growth of the Korean tour was stunted.
But the fact that there were more and more Koreans doing well on a global stage fueled the boom in women's golf in Korea. So, despite the fact the Korean tour loses many of their top players to the LPGA, so many new stars have arrived that the KLPGA has grown by leaps and bounds over the past ten years. This year for the first time their schedule is almost complete from April through to November. As recently as two years ago, most of their summer was devoid of tournaments.
By contrast, the Japanese tour has had a full time schedule for decades longer than Korea. Because relatively few Japanese stars succeed over here, most of their big names stay over there, allowing the tour to keep their star power pretty constant. But they are not growing anywhere near like the Korean tour is, despite the fact their stars stay put.
One thing that does happen from time to time is that the KLPGA gets somewhat depleted of stars. I feel this is the case right now. But this is cyclical. In the years before the latest boom (say around 2012) it was a bit fallow over there. Then around 2013 a number of big names started emerging, and the tour went through a big boom that is only now tailing off. I expect we will see another boom start sometime soon.
The question is not, how much do Korean companies spend, but, how much is their spending increasing year after year? And in that department, the KLPGA is having incredible success.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 10:14:29 GMT
The Japanese TV and printed media are active, it increase exposures but it don't directly correlate to income for players. Korean's media are stingy, but Korean corporate sponsors are much higher profile than both Japan and the US. On KLPGA site, players are identified by their sponsors; for example In Gee by Hite, Hyo Joo by Lotte and etc. Also, Mi Hyang's NASCAR style sponsors' icons is unique to Koreans. KLPGA's prize money is less than JLPGA, but not by that much; but I suspect top star like In Gee earns much higher sponsor income than Bo Mee. Bo Mee and SKY may prefer the freedom and JLPGA's style of living, may have nothing to do with higher income. The 2016 KLPGA total purse is approx USD$19m, LPGA of Japan is around USD$34m. The average JLPGA purse is around $900k vs $550k on the KLPGA. There's a lot more money to be made in Japan but as HF says, the KLPGA has come on leaps and bounds in the last few years. In 2010 they had 22 events with around $10m total purse and in 2016 there's 35 events with around $19m. Interestingly from 2015 to 2016 they added 5 events but the average purse dropped from $600k to $550k, the first time since 2010 that the average purse has dropped. It makes a lot of sense for Korean players who either can't make it on the LPGA or aren't interested in all the extra travel to go play in Japan. As far as stingy goes I'd probably give the nod to Japan, Corporate Korea spends a heap of cash on the LPGA, the JLPGA can't even stump up a decent purse for the LPGA event held there each year..
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Post by philknj on Sept 6, 2016 14:21:27 GMT
KLPGA's prize money is less than JLPGA, but not by that much; but I suspect top star like In Gee earns much higher sponsor income than Bo Mee.NO WAY!!! If that's true, BML should fire her agent. Bo Mee is covered with logos, does commercials for Le Coq Golf & Honma, gets scores of Japanese magazine covers (which I assume have BML advertisements), and they even did a TV cartoon with her as a guest star. While Dumbo has deals with Hite/Jinro & Ping, she has no marketing presence on the LPGA tour compared to the usual suspects (Lewis, Creamer, Bam Bam).
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Post by philknj on Sept 6, 2016 14:36:26 GMT
The Korean sponsors need to quit being so cheap. This.....+100000000 All the talk about how popular women's golf is in Korea...yet the JLPGA shames the KLPGA in prize money and # of tournaments. Smile Candy, SKY, Ji ya, etc would rather play in Japan....nuff said. On the LPGA....you'll always see NHK or another major network filming and interviewing the Japanese LPGA pros....so where are the Koreans?...yup....absent.The Koreans are a bunch of fraudsters. Yup, there are far fewer Japanese players on the LPGA than Koreans, but the Japanese send way more media...they had a lady following Momoko Ueda inside the ropes at the 2013 USO. Of course, there was a Japanese video crew to interview Ai Miyazato after she shot 64 at the Seaview this year. SBS Golf is so cheap that they won't let their two JLPGA broadcasters get out of that studio just once to see the JLPGA in person.
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Post by HappyFan on Sept 6, 2016 16:11:45 GMT
KLPGA's prize money is less than JLPGA, but not by that much; but I suspect top star like In Gee earns much higher sponsor income than Bo Mee.NO WAY!!! If that's true, BML should fire her agent. Bo Mee is covered with logos, does commercials for Le Coq Golf & Honma, gets scores of Japanese magazine covers (which I assume have BML advertisements), and they even did a TV cartoon with her as a guest star. While Dumbo has deals with Hite/Jinro & Ping, she has no marketing presence on the LPGA tour compared to the usual suspects (Lewis, Creamer, Bam Bam). In Gee also has deals with Tag Heuer watches and Nike for shoes. She's not hurting for cash from sponsors, that's for sure. But despite the fact In Gee is probably one of the five most popular Korean players, I think she is underutilized by her sponsors compared to someone like Bo Mee Lee, who is literally everywhere in Japan. In Gee's popularity exceeds her marketing for now. That's the difference between someone who dominates her sphere like Lee and someone who is great but has not reached that level, like In Gee in America.
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Post by HappyFan on Sept 6, 2016 16:14:40 GMT
This.....+100000000 All the talk about how popular women's golf is in Korea...yet the JLPGA shames the KLPGA in prize money and # of tournaments. Smile Candy, SKY, Ji ya, etc would rather play in Japan....nuff said. On the LPGA....you'll always see NHK or another major network filming and interviewing the Japanese LPGA pros....so where are the Koreans?...yup....absent.The Koreans are a bunch of fraudsters. Yup, there are far fewer Japanese players on the LPGA than Koreans, but the Japanese send way more media...they had a lady following Momoko Ueda inside the ropes at the 2013 USO. Of course, there was a Japanese video crew to interview Ai Miyazato after she shot 64 at the Seaview this year. SBS Golf is so cheap that they won't let their two JLPGA broadcasters get out of that studio just once to see the JLPGA in person. If the Korean media sent more reporters to the LPGA, who would cover the Screen Golf tour? Priorities!
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Post by mr3putt on Sept 7, 2016 21:22:36 GMT
If the Korean media sent more reporters to the LPGA, who would cover the Screen Golf tour? Priorities! LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 23:02:54 GMT
It should be interesting how the media handles the Symetra tour a year or two from now when there is no more Q-School, and all players from other tours are going to have to play on Symetra tour to gain LPGA privileges. I did not realize there won't be anymore Q-School. Good move by Whan, it will probably boost the bottom line by $10,000 or $20,000 per year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 23:14:46 GMT
It should be interesting how the media handles the Symetra tour a year or two from now when there is no more Q-School, and all players from other tours are going to have to play on Symetra tour to gain LPGA privileges. They are going to do that? Wow.. It would likely destroy the LPGA within a few years if they basically exclude players from the countries where their money comes from. How long would corporate Korea put up with that? What player in their right mind is going to spend a year in the wilderness of the Symetra with the chance to make maybe $150k when they've been pulling $500k+ a year at home or close to home? Not to mention putting Top 20-50 RR players into the Symetra tour reduces the opportunities for up and comers to get through.. Lose lose all round for me, good for the KLPGA and JLPGA though!
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Post by mr3putt on Sept 8, 2016 0:02:56 GMT
It should be interesting how the media handles the Symetra tour a year or two from now when there is no more Q-School, and all players from other tours are going to have to play on Symetra tour to gain LPGA privileges. FACTS...or it's just hearsay. Hmmmm....another copy cat idea from the guys.
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Post by mr3putt on Sept 8, 2016 0:05:56 GMT
I did not realize there won't be anymore Q-School. Good move by Whan, it will probably boost the bottom line by $10,000 or $20,000 per year. LMAO Whan must pocket $1M+ from Q School and silently grease all the BoD's under the table with the proceeds. What a sham....the LPGA allowing 100's of girls with NO CHANCE to make a living on the LPGA to shell out $1000's on registration fees.
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Post by mr3putt on Sept 8, 2016 0:21:31 GMT
Nothing official yet. It has been discussed and you can bet it will happen sooner than later. They top 100 from money list and and top 10 from Symetra will be guaranteed cards. Then 101 and above and 11-50 or so from Symetra will compete in a 3 event playoff in Florida (probably in late November, early December). The top 40 or so will receive playing cards. It may not be exactly like I described above....but you get the idea. It will happen....it's just a matter of when. Classic Whan...he's such a YANK....he's getting tired of seeing yellow skinned, black haired pros who need eyelid surgery...... winning all the trophies. I hope all the Asia based companies terminate their sponsorships.......JTBC, SBS, etc stop paying for the GC feed....the Asian pros hand in their LPGA membership cards....and all of the previous mention.....gather at a press conference and tell Whan, the LPGA and Merica to FO. Hmmmm....seems like the Smiling Buddha's "Restructure the LPGA" thread will come to fruition. That's OK.....I'm just as happy to watch my free stream of KLPGA/JLPGA events while the new LPGA goes defunct in 3 years after this initiative. The Smiling Buddha will become tournament director of a new KLPGA event here....the H-Mart Vancouver Classic.....with a ticket promo...in addition to free admission for all kids under 18 accompanied with an adult....all hot looking Korean ladies dressed in short skorts, pantyhose and knee highs will also have free admission too.....LPGA attendance records will implode when all the Rice Kings come out to watch the pros and the gals in the galleries too. Make the KLPGA/JLPGA Great Again!
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Post by mr3putt on Sept 8, 2016 0:22:32 GMT
It should be interesting how the media handles the Symetra tour a year or two from now when there is no more Q-School, and all players from other tours are going to have to play on Symetra tour to gain LPGA privileges. They are going to do that? Wow.. It would likely destroy the LPGA within a few years if they basically exclude players from the countries where their money comes from. How long would corporate Korea put up with that? What player in their right mind is going to spend a year in the wilderness of the Symetra with the chance to make maybe $150k when they've been pulling $500k+ a year at home or close to home? Not to mention putting Top 20-50 RR players into the Symetra tour reduces the opportunities for up and comers to get through.. Lose lose all round for me, good for the KLPGA and JLPGA though! Hope so.
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Post by HappyFan on Sept 8, 2016 0:27:17 GMT
It should be interesting how the media handles the Symetra tour a year or two from now when there is no more Q-School, and all players from other tours are going to have to play on Symetra tour to gain LPGA privileges. They are going to do that? Wow.. It would likely destroy the LPGA within a few years if they basically exclude players from the countries where their money comes from. How long would corporate Korea put up with that? What player in their right mind is going to spend a year in the wilderness of the Symetra with the chance to make maybe $150k when they've been pulling $500k+ a year at home or close to home? Not to mention putting Top 20-50 RR players into the Symetra tour reduces the opportunities for up and comers to get through.. Lose lose all round for me, good for the KLPGA and JLPGA though! Yeah... It does sound like a pretty effective way to prevent KLPGA golfers from even trying out for the tour. I can't recall too many who have come over from Korea and played on the Symetra Tour. Can you imagine world #12 Sung Hyun Park, who has already made more than a million dollars in Korea this season (and that doesn't include what she's earned on the LPGA, where she would be 29th on the money list if her earnings counted) - can you imagine her investing a season to play for 100 grand? And if all you're going to get are the third tier Koreans, how does that help your tour? I guess the Sisters will just have to get in by winning events on sponsor's exemptions.
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