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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 8:41:06 GMT
Most golf writers and fans believe it is performance in the biggest events that earns you the season ending awards, not consistency, and by that standard, Park clearly outdistanced Lydia last year. And that's exactly why I think the points based system is better than some emotionally driven 'the Majors are all that matters' system. It's the player of the YEAR award, not player of the Majors or player of the important events. The Majors make up roughly 15% of the schedule, they bump up the points value to make them worth around 25% of the POY so in the case of last year Inbee outplayed LK for 25% of the year, LK outplayed Inbee for most of the the remaining 75% and the correct player ended up with the prize. In any sort of other voted system Inbee would have taken it for the reasons you mention, because it becomes emotional at that point and people love to big up the Majors but the prize would not have gone to the player who was more consistent over the whole season... Just my 2c..  |
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Post by SoYeonFan on Jun 30, 2016 14:29:49 GMT
I still have my suspicions about Lorena winning POY over Jy Shin.
I really thought that their might have been a number adjustment.
I am probably dead wrong, but I will always believe the wrong person won it.
Wasn't it Lorena's final year.
My two cents worth.
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 30, 2016 17:26:00 GMT
Most golf writers and fans believe it is performance in the biggest events that earns you the season ending awards, not consistency, and by that standard, Park clearly outdistanced Lydia last year. And that's exactly why I think the points based system is better than some emotionally driven 'the Majors are all that matters' system. It's the player of the YEAR award, not player of the Majors or player of the important events. The Majors make up roughly 15% of the schedule, they bump up the points value to make them worth around 25% of the POY so in the case of last year Inbee outplayed LK for 25% of the year, LK outplayed Inbee for most of the the remaining 75% and the correct player ended up with the prize. In any sort of other voted system Inbee would have taken it for the reasons you mention, because it becomes emotional at that point and people love to big up the Majors but the prize would not have gone to the player who was more consistent over the whole season... Just my 2c.. So what you're saying is that top tens in non-Majors can be more important than top tens/wins in Majors? Strongly disagree. You're entitled to your opinion, but to suggest that it's more important to be consistent than to win big events would lead to a possible scenario where a two-time Major winner loses POY to someone who put up 10 top tens but never won. As much as I love In Gee, for instance, and as strong as her rookie year has been so far, it would definitely mean more with a win or two. And it's not like Ko was that much more consistent than Inbee. Ko played 24 events, 17 top tens. Inbee played 24 events and had 15 top tens. The POY difference comes down to Ko having one more 8th place finish than Inbee. |
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 30, 2016 17:27:08 GMT
Oh, and Ko won basically because she went on a tear late in the season, when she won three events almost in a row. So by your logic, she was the best player for about 20% of the season, but that seems to have been enough for her to get the POY. So it's not even that she was dominant most of the year, just one specific portion.
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Post by mr3putt on Jun 30, 2016 21:37:06 GMT
Oh, and Ko won basically because she ..........represented by IMG...... and IMG is big enough they have the clout to grease a lot of gigi's to influence things favorably for their clients.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 0:18:50 GMT
And that's exactly why I think the points based system is better than some emotionally driven 'the Majors are all that matters' system. It's the player of the YEAR award, not player of the Majors or player of the important events. The Majors make up roughly 15% of the schedule, they bump up the points value to make them worth around 25% of the POY so in the case of last year Inbee outplayed LK for 25% of the year, LK outplayed Inbee for most of the the remaining 75% and the correct player ended up with the prize. In any sort of other voted system Inbee would have taken it for the reasons you mention, because it becomes emotional at that point and people love to big up the Majors but the prize would not have gone to the player who was more consistent over the whole season... Just my 2c.. So what you're saying is that top tens in non-Majors can be more important than top tens/wins in Majors? Strongly disagree. You're entitled to your opinion, but to suggest that it's more important to be consistent than to win big events would lead to a possible scenario where a two-time Major winner loses POY to someone who put up 10 top tens but never won. As much as I love In Gee, for instance, and as strong as her rookie year has been so far, it would definitely mean more with a win or two. And it's not like Ko was that much more consistent than Inbee. Ko played 24 events, 17 top tens. Inbee played 24 events and had 15 top tens. The POY difference comes down to Ko having one more 8th place finish than Inbee. The points are awarded 30, 12, 9, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1 and ALL points are doubled for Majors so 5th in a Major = 2nd in a regular event, 2nd in a Major is the best part of a win in a regular event and so on. So yes, as long as the player who won the 2 Majors didn't bother the scorers at all in all her remaining events then the player who didn't win could tie the 2 time Major winner with 10 2nd place finishes (giving both players 120 points). Of course it's highly unlikely that a player who's on form enough to win 2 Majors in a year will not bother the scorers for the other 20-30 events she plays, as unlikely as it is for the non winning player to have 10 top 10's, all of which were 2nd places.. The system isn't perfect, nothing is, but it's fair, it rewards good results, heavily favors very good results, (top 3 finishes are where the points are at), and it gives an appropriate bonus for playing well in the Majors (let's face it, most Majors on the ladies side aren't that much sterner tests than regular events, mentally maybe but not in course difficulty). All this malarkey about Majors are all that matters is rubbish, they get plenty of bonus for a Major (double POY points, an extra HOF point, a large bucket of cash) when you're talking about POY it's the Player of the Year award, not 'Player of some cherry picked events I think are important' award. It's about the season, the whole season, so regular events count.. As for you other comment regarding LK going on a tear at the end of the year being the only reason she got the nod last year, you seem to have conveniently forgotten that LK led Inbee in the POY standings all the way up to the KPMG. So for the first 4 months of the season LK was the more consistent, then Inbee went on a tear for 6 weeks (she amassed about half her points in that 6 week span), then LK took over for the last couple of months. So for the far greater part of the year LK was the more consistent player. Inbee effectively had 1 more win than LK (in POY points speak) and while they had a similar amount of Top 10's LK had far more Top 3 finishes (11 to 7), it was this consistency that got her the POY award, not one 8th place finish.. All that said it was very close, went down to the wire and was a lot of fun to watch unfold.. |
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Post by HappyFan on Jul 1, 2016 6:19:35 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree, because for me it isn't even close for the reasons I stated. When you play the best at the most important events, you are the best player of the year. Who cares if you put up top threes at the Noname Classic? And a top three in an event with almost no top players earns the same # of points as a top three in a non-Major event with all the top players. At least the Rolex Rankings gets that part right and weights all tournaments.
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Post by cannlinny on Jul 2, 2016 18:29:33 GMT
Oh, and Ko won basically because she ..........represented by IMG...... and IMG is big enough they have the clout to grease a lot of gigi's to influence things favorably for their clients. But isn't that the whole point of the point system- there can't be any greasing or influencing as there would be with voting? I don't get your point about IMG in this instance. |
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Post by mr3putt on Jul 2, 2016 18:55:48 GMT
..........represented by IMG...... and IMG is big enough they have the clout to grease a lot of gigi's to influence things favorably for their clients. But isn't that the whole point of the point system- there can't be any greasing or influencing as there would be with voting? I don't get your point about IMG in this instance. Cann I'm shocked...you should know by now that there is never any POINT to any of The Smiling Buddha posts....same goes for fanofseri....but fanofseri is a ss.com LEGEND due to his FAKE comment....nuff said. You playing much golf? |
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Post by cannlinny on Jul 3, 2016 14:16:50 GMT
Usually a couple times a week. I run a 9 hole ladies league at our local course, and usually play1 or 2 rounds with husband or friends at courses around the area. Love the senior weekday rates!
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Post by mr3putt on Jul 3, 2016 16:24:05 GMT
1) Usually a couple times a week. I run a 9 hole ladies league at our local course, 2) Love the senior weekday rates! 1) Do you call it the "Hit and Giggle" league.  Any nice looking Korean ladies who wear knee highs? 2) What's the range for a Sr/ weekday fee....here it's from $30-$70. I usually play twilight.....as low as $17 taxes in on a really nice and tough track....but a 40 minute drive (mainly hwy)....typical twilight rates.....$35-$55. Golf isn't cheap here...but you can find a few ok rates out towards the suburbs. |
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Post by cannlinny on Jul 5, 2016 2:23:18 GMT
1. It's more of a 9 & dine & wine. We used to have a couple of Korean ladies (no knee socks ). But one moved and the other isn't playing. One gave me a pair of the sun sleeves a few years ago when you couldn't find them in Milwaukee.
2. Around $30 is typical for pretty nice courses, 18 w cart weekdays, seniors. Lots to choose from within 20-40 miles. Top courses run $50-80, and then there's the Kohler courses.
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Post by mr3putt on Jul 5, 2016 5:12:02 GMT
1. It's more of a 9 & dine & wine. We used to have a couple of Korean ladies (no knee socks ). But one moved and the other isn't playing. One gave me a pair of the sun sleeves a few years ago when you couldn't find them in Milwaukee. 2. Around $30 is typical for pretty nice courses, 18 w cart weekdays, seniors. Lots to choose from within 20-40 miles. Top courses run $50-80, and then there's the Kohler courses. Do you live in Milwaukee? |
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