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Post by 18majors on May 16, 2016 21:31:52 GMT
By the way, In Gee Chun just missed getting into the top 10, she was #11 in biggest gainers. In Gee has a respectable but otherwise disappointing rookie season; she's desperately in need of a win. |
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Post by don on May 17, 2016 1:23:01 GMT
By the way, In Gee Chun just missed getting into the top 10, she was #11 in biggest gainers. In Gee has a respectable but otherwise disappointing rookie season; she's desperately in need of a win. In Gee has brought us all shame. Let me know when it's safe to turn the TV on again with dignity. |
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Post by SoYeonFan on May 17, 2016 1:33:08 GMT
The Rolex ranking are not that important unless you are trying to make the Olympic Team.
Are out of the top fifty.
It's to early to worry about it, because of the deviser.
If you hasn't played a lot of tournaments, you can jump up with a few good tournaments.
However you can free fall with a few bad tournaments.
It's not too hard to climb up quickly, the tough part is staying there a long time.
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Post by HappyFan on May 17, 2016 5:50:22 GMT
By the way, In Gee Chun just missed getting into the top 10, she was #11 in biggest gainers. In Gee has a respectable but otherwise disappointing rookie season; she's desperately in need of a win. Lydia Ko's first nine events as a rookie: 7th, 3rd, 19th ,15th, t-2nd, 61st, 29th, 32nd, win In Gee's first six events -- and keep in mind she had an injury, unlike Ko: 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 27th, 13th. I think In Gee's done great! |
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Post by mr3putt on May 17, 2016 6:32:18 GMT
In Gee has a respectable but otherwise disappointing rookie season; she's desperately in need of a win. Lydia Ko's first nine events as a rookie: 7th, 3rd, 19th ,15th, t-2nd, 61st, 29th, 32nd, win In Gee's first six events -- and keep in mind she had an injury, unlike Ko: 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 27th, 13th. I think In Gee's done great! Entitled Kiwi Princess hater. By the time they were 18: 1) Dumbo....professional wins = 0 2) The FAKE Korean....professional wins = 17 pro titles including two fake majors and a USGA Women's Am title and other national/global Am titles. Hmmmmmmmm  OK....Dumbo was at an disadvantage...she didn't have The Dragon Lady as a mom who drove golf down her daughter's throat 24/7. But Dumbo was humiliated as a child...only in Korea would one find a child (11 years old) dad's friend laughing at a little girl's attempt to hit a golf ball for the 1st time...hmmmm....nice!!!  ....if not for this friend.....we would see Ha Na dominating the LPGA this year. I wish Tina would adopt The Rocket and make her a golfing superstar. |
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Post by mr3putt on May 17, 2016 6:34:09 GMT
In Gee has brought us all shame. Let me know when it's safe to turn the TV on again with dignity. LMAO Don.....you are getting close to becoming a distant 2nd to fanofseri's sarcastic brilliance. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 8:55:21 GMT
In Gee has a respectable but otherwise disappointing rookie season; she's desperately in need of a win. Lydia Ko's first nine events as a rookie: 7th, 3rd, 19th ,15th, t-2nd, 61st, 29th, 32nd, win In Gee's first six events -- and keep in mind she had an injury, unlike Ko: 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 27th, 13th. I think In Gee's done great! lol, that's a classic.. And In Gee's first nine events as a rookie? How about 17, 21, 30, 5, 2, 16, 15, 11 & Win on the KLPGA. What would she have done against the same sort of fields Lydia played against? That's an unknown but I'm pretty confident in saying it wouldn't have been as nice as it was against the KLPGA fields.. Dream it up any way you like, In Gee was not in Lydia's class as a rookie.. That said I agree, In Gee hasn't done great this year, I have no idea how anyone could be disappointed with her performance so far.. |
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Post by HappyFan on May 17, 2016 17:16:38 GMT
Lydia Ko's first nine events as a rookie: 7th, 3rd, 19th ,15th, t-2nd, 61st, 29th, 32nd, win In Gee's first six events -- and keep in mind she had an injury, unlike Ko: 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 27th, 13th. I think In Gee's done great! lol, that's a classic.. And In Gee's first nine events as a rookie? How about 17, 21, 30, 5, 2, 16, 15, 11 & Win on the KLPGA. What would she have done against the same sort of fields Lydia played against? That's an unknown but I'm pretty confident in saying it wouldn't have been as nice as it was against the KLPGA fields.. Dream it up any way you like, In Gee was not in Lydia's class as a rookie.. That said I agree, In Gee hasn't done great this year, I have no idea how anyone could be disappointed with her performance so far.. This argument again?  Ko had been playing internationally against LPGA fields for three years by the time she got her as a rookie (including two wins). You want to compare her to a 17-year-old who had just turned pro? Whatever. (I love how Ko fanboys act like she was this fresh off the boat newbie who suddenly blossomed when she arrived on tour, but knock anyone who came from the KLPGA as having tons of pro experience and hence not being legit rookies. But when they want to diss the quality of the KLPGA, like in the above post, they do that, too. Can't have it both ways, chief!) In any event, it was not my intention to knock Ko. I could have chosen any recent rookie of the year for comparison, but it seemed especially effective to pick the most successful one. My point is that In Gee is having a great season by the standards of a new player on tour. The idea that she's in desperate need of a win to validate herself seems far fetched. |
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Post by mr3putt on May 17, 2016 18:52:53 GMT
This argument again? Ko had been playing internationally against LPGA fields for three years by the time she got her as a rookie (including two wins). You want to compare her to a 17-year-old who had just turned pro? Whatever. (I love how Ko fanboys act like she was this fresh off the boat newbie who suddenly blossomed when she arrived on tour, but knock anyone who came from the KLPGA as having tons of pro experience and hence not being legit rookies. But when they want to diss the quality of the KLPGA, like in the above post, they do that, too. Can't have it both ways, chief!) In any event, it was not my intention to knock Ko. I could have chosen any recent rookie of the year for comparison, but it seemed especially effective to pick the most successful one. My point is that In Gee is having a great season by the standards of a new player on tour. The idea that she's in desperate need of a win to validate herself seems far fetched. It was you who brought Ko into the discussion......you could have simply stated that Dumbo's start to the 2016 LPGA season as a rookie as brilliant...which it is...but instead you bring you vitriol against the FAKE Korean...yet another FAKE Korean who wasn't even born in Seoul...goes unscathed by you....The Entitled Aussie Princess from Perth. ...who also was able to play golf internationally as an Am backed by the Australian Golf Association/Federation....though her mom likely didn't lie about where some funds were obtained to pay for all those 1st class flights and Presidential suites at the Fairmont hotels.  Did Tina refused to give you an autograph or wear a Seoul Sister button when you met her last year at the CP CWO....therefore your hatred for her FAKE daughter. Happy you're a funny guy....but you've now dropped down to 3rd in humor behind Don at 2nd.....and no one will ever replace fanofseri in 1st. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 0:09:37 GMT
lol, that's a classic.. And In Gee's first nine events as a rookie? How about 17, 21, 30, 5, 2, 16, 15, 11 & Win on the KLPGA. What would she have done against the same sort of fields Lydia played against? That's an unknown but I'm pretty confident in saying it wouldn't have been as nice as it was against the KLPGA fields.. Dream it up any way you like, In Gee was not in Lydia's class as a rookie.. That said I agree, In Gee hasn't done great this year, I have no idea how anyone could be disappointed with her performance so far.. This argument again? Ko had been playing internationally against LPGA fields for three years by the time she got her as a rookie (including two wins). You want to compare her to a 17-year-old who had just turned pro? Whatever. (I love how Ko fanboys act like she was this fresh off the boat newbie who suddenly blossomed when she arrived on tour, but knock anyone who came from the KLPGA as having tons of pro experience and hence not being legit rookies. But when they want to diss the quality of the KLPGA, like in the above post, they do that, too. Can't have it both ways, chief!) In any event, it was not my intention to knock Ko. I could have chosen any recent rookie of the year for comparison, but it seemed especially effective to pick the most successful one. My point is that In Gee is having a great season by the standards of a new player on tour. The idea that she's in desperate need of a win to validate herself seems far fetched. Firstly, I didn't mean to say 'In Gee hasn't done great', I meant to say 'In Gee has done great this year'.. Oops! On to the argument you bought up.. lol Do I want to compare a 17 year old who just turned pro to a 16 year old who just turned pro? Absolutely, that's apples for apples. Just because Lydia was good from the get go doesn't change the fact that she was just a kid who just turned pro in 2013. You'd like us to believe that Lydia had been playing full time on tour for three years prior to turning Pro but the truth is far from that. In 2011 LK played 3 pro events in Jan/Feb, she didn't tee it up again in competition until Jan 2012 where she won her first Pro event. She played another three events in Feb 2012 (including her first LPGA event in Aus) then she didn't tee it up again until July at the USWO, she then played 1 event in Aug and 1 in Sept. That's hardly a full schedule as you'd like us to think, it's dipping your toes in the water. For sure 2013 was different, she played as much as she could, she realised she could play with the big girls so she did at every opportunity. Why wouldn't she? I'm not sure why you take my comments on the KLPGA as a diss, it's just fact. KLPGA fields aren't as strong as the LPGA fields, it's just how it is, no big deal. Look at the Hana Bank, every year the top 50 is dominated by LPGA players, for sure there's always a handful of KLPGA players that do well but overall the LPGA players will fill 40 or so of the top 50 spots. The fact that the fields aren't as strong doesn't make the competition any less intense, in fact it's quite possible given the level of interest in Ladies golf in Korea and the number of girls trying to make it that the competition is MORE intense than the LPGA and it's that sort of competitive environment that the super rookies spent years in before joining the LPGA. They have far more competitive experience than LK ever did but somehow because LK won a few times you'd like us to believe Lydia was some super experienced pro before she even turned pro and that's simply not the case. To put it another way, Lydia is roughly a third of her way through her third year on the LPGA and this weekend will mark her 89th start in all professional events since she teed it up in the NZWO in 2010 as a 12 year old, In Gee and the other super rookies played that many events before they even got to the LPGA. The closest thing to a Rookie that has come from the KLPGA in the last few years is Q Baek and we all know how well that's worked out so far. Hopefully the Q Baek story is far from finished, she has plenty of time. I'm not knocking the KLPGA players or the KLPGA I'm simply saying it's ridiculous to call them true Rookies on the LPGA when they come to the LPGA with years of competitive golf on board and it's even more ridiculous to compare LK's 27 starts across 4 years in pro events as an amateur to 4 years and 80+ starts on a competitive tour as the super rookies all did. |
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Post by HappyFan on May 18, 2016 17:04:29 GMT
Well, believe what you want, but I think there is a big benefit from playing internationally for years in pro events, even if you don't do it as a job, and another big benefit from living in a Western country where English is your first language and you are used to the culture. These are all hurdles that Ko dealt with when she was in grade school and are long in her past.
But somehow, every time someone brings up a KLPGA golfer (I include the Golf Channel in this), they always call them "rookies"; you can hear the quote marks. That's not fair. In Gee played on the KLPGA for three years. She had only a handful of international events before this season. She has to get used to massive amounts of travel, a new language, a new culture. I NEVER hear them say some LET pro who comes over is not a true rookie, but those players often have already had a chance on their previous tour to learn how to deal with the stuff that is new to In Gee.
No one is saying that In Gee is better than Lydia as a player, and if In Gee in her career manages 12 LPGA wins that would be a pretty impressive achievement. My only point is that it is totally legit to say In Gee is every bit a rookie just as much as Ko was.
And looking at her rookie record, In Gee has done well. The fact she hasn't won yet? I wish she had, but I do believe the wins will come soon enough. Best of luck to her!!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 18:32:14 GMT
IGC will win soon enough. But, once Haeran Ryu gets on tour, the others will be playing for second.
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Post by 18majors on May 18, 2016 19:08:47 GMT
IGC will win soon enough. But, once Haeran Ryu gets on tour, the others will be playing for second. That's what they said about Michelle Wie when she was 13 in 2003. Hopefully, things turn out better for Haeran! |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:34:04 GMT
Well, believe what you want, but I think there is a big benefit from playing internationally for years in pro events, even if you don't do it as a job, and another big benefit from living in a Western country where English is your first language and you are used to the culture. These are all hurdles that Ko dealt with when she was in grade school and are long in her past. But somehow, every time someone brings up a KLPGA golfer (I include the Golf Channel in this), they always call them "rookies"; you can hear the quote marks. That's not fair. In Gee played on the KLPGA for three years. She had only a handful of international events before this season. She has to get used to massive amounts of travel, a new language, a new culture. I NEVER hear them say some LET pro who comes over is not a true rookie, but those players often have already had a chance on their previous tour to learn how to deal with the stuff that is new to In Gee. No one is saying that In Gee is better than Lydia as a player, and if In Gee in her career manages 12 LPGA wins that would be a pretty impressive achievement. My only point is that it is totally legit to say In Gee is every bit a rookie just as much as Ko was. And looking at her rookie record, In Gee has done well. The fact she hasn't won yet? I wish she had, but I do believe the wins will come soon enough. Best of luck to her!! While I agree with you that the language/culture thing is an advantage this isn't 1998 and Se Ri turning up in the US basically on her own. There's dozens of Korean players on tour so yes, it helps a lot to know English but as we've seen it doesn't affect the golf game much. A hypothetical for you, let's say next year Lydia decides she wants to finish her school on site. She bails on the LPGA, moves to Korea (she's enrolled at Korea University) and goes to school. Decides she still want to play and joins the KLPGA, she would be a rookie. She would have done the exact same thing In Gee has done, spent a year prepping for tour play then played 3 years on a tour and joined another tour. Would it be fair to call Lydia a true Rookie in that example? No, of course it wouldn't. That'd just be silly.. |
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Post by HappyFan on May 19, 2016 16:51:37 GMT
Well, believe what you want, but I think there is a big benefit from playing internationally for years in pro events, even if you don't do it as a job, and another big benefit from living in a Western country where English is your first language and you are used to the culture. These are all hurdles that Ko dealt with when she was in grade school and are long in her past. But somehow, every time someone brings up a KLPGA golfer (I include the Golf Channel in this), they always call them "rookies"; you can hear the quote marks. That's not fair. In Gee played on the KLPGA for three years. She had only a handful of international events before this season. She has to get used to massive amounts of travel, a new language, a new culture. I NEVER hear them say some LET pro who comes over is not a true rookie, but those players often have already had a chance on their previous tour to learn how to deal with the stuff that is new to In Gee. No one is saying that In Gee is better than Lydia as a player, and if In Gee in her career manages 12 LPGA wins that would be a pretty impressive achievement. My only point is that it is totally legit to say In Gee is every bit a rookie just as much as Ko was. And looking at her rookie record, In Gee has done well. The fact she hasn't won yet? I wish she had, but I do believe the wins will come soon enough. Best of luck to her!! While I agree with you that the language/culture thing is an advantage this isn't 1998 and Se Ri turning up in the US basically on her own. There's dozens of Korean players on tour so yes, it helps a lot to know English but as we've seen it doesn't affect the golf game much. A hypothetical for you, let's say next year Lydia decides she wants to finish her school on site. She bails on the LPGA, moves to Korea (she's enrolled at Korea University) and goes to school. Decides she still want to play and joins the KLPGA, she would be a rookie. She would have done the exact same thing In Gee has done, spent a year prepping for tour play then played 3 years on a tour and joined another tour. Would it be fair to call Lydia a true Rookie in that example? No, of course it wouldn't. That'd just be silly.. Of course, that's different (IE, not the exact same thing). When Jiyai Shin went from being the #1 player in the world and a top player on the LPGA to playing on the JLPGA, I said that I thought she was slumming. I would think any player who goes from the tour that is clearly the best to a lesser tour is doing that. But yeah, Lydia would be a rookie. A slumming rookie, but a rookie nonetheless. Her adjustment to playing in Korea would probably be minimal considering she speaks the language and has been in Korea many times, but there would be a slight adjustment nonetheless. I don't think Jiyai won the Rookie of the Year, by the way... (I'm still hearing: 'everything Ko had to go through was hard, everything any other rookie from Korea went through much easier.' I'm still not buying it. The adjustment to America isn't tough? Ask Hyo Joo Kim, who has really struggled to reach the heights she effortlessly reached as a player on the KLPGA.) |
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....if not for this friend.....we would see Ha Na dominating the LPGA this year.
