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Post by HappyFan on Jun 11, 2018 16:35:02 GMT
Bangkokbobby wrote on Twitter he was swearing off the LPGA after Ariya blew that lead. Even he lost hope! But as he wrote later on, his faith was restored. Yes, that's true! I was going to post congratulations to Ariya last week but since I don't post very often and I knew that Roland Garros would finish up this week I decided to delay posting for a week out of respect for Seoul Sisters fans who might be in not the best of moods after Hyo-Joo Kim didn't win. However, to be fair nobody has mastered the collapse more than little sister Jutanugarn. Another epic implosion would have been more than I could have handled. Seoul Sisters will win again on the Major level. If Ariya had blown another Major, I don't know. She has bounced back before but everybody has to have a limit. Oh, please! Ariya won just a couple of weeks before the Open. She has, what, nine career wins? Try being an In Gee Chun fan! What do In Gee, Annie Park and Pernilla Lindberg have in common? They all have one career win since joining the LPGA! In In Gee's case, that's one win and many, many, many frustrating near misses. In Annie's case, that's one contention, one win. You want pain? At least Ariya would have lost to a proven Major winner. Imagine if she had lost an eight hole playoff to a player who had never even come close to winning a Major before, but was somehow making every single crucial shot for five days (and probably will never repeat that ever again?). I think you don't know how good you have it!
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Post by bangkokbobby on Jun 11, 2018 18:31:56 GMT
Yes, that's true! I was going to post congratulations to Ariya last week but since I don't post very often and I knew that Roland Garros would finish up this week I decided to delay posting for a week out of respect for Seoul Sisters fans who might be in not the best of moods after Hyo-Joo Kim didn't win. However, to be fair nobody has mastered the collapse more than little sister Jutanugarn. Another epic implosion would have been more than I could have handled. Seoul Sisters will win again on the Major level. If Ariya had blown another Major, I don't know. She has bounced back before but everybody has to have a limit. Oh, please! Ariya won just a couple of weeks before the Open. She has, what, nine career wins? Try being an In Gee Chun fan! What do In Gee, Annie Park and Pernilla Lindberg have in common? They all have one career win since joining the LPGA! In In Gee's case, that's one win and many, many, many frustrating near misses. In Annie's case, that's one contention, one win. You want pain? At least Ariya would have lost to a proven Major winner. Imagine if she had lost an eight hole playoff to a player who had never even come close to winning a Major before, but was somehow making every single crucial shot for five days (and probably will never repeat that ever again?). I think you don't know how good you have it! Let me see if I understand this. There is one Thai player with a Major...two Majors after last Sunday. Remind me again how many Majors Seoul Sisters have won? There have been more Seoul Sisters that have won each Major than Thai players with Majors. I think you have forgotten how good you have it. We are not talking about a bunch of near misses with Ariya. We are talking about choke jobs so pronounced that they've become part of the story told about her, repeated every time she wins. And sure, you could go through LPGA history and pull out Seoul Sisters collapses or chokes (Inky) but you also have many, many more players to choose from. You compared Ariya to InGee and Annie. You could have also compared her to Inbee, Lydia or Se Ri. So depending on which Sisters you pick, Ariya could look greater or lesser. It's one versus many. That was my point. I'll bank on Seoul Sisters winning a Major again, many many Majors again, over one solitary player who has a penchant for choking.No matter how many times she's bounced back, collapse after collapse could be devastating at some point. It's not about to whom Ariya would have lost. It could be Annika Sorenstam or Hillary Lunke. A 7 shot lead collapse with 9 holes to go in arguably the premier women's golf tournament in the world would have been devastating, especially since she gave shots away. It wasn't as if somebody went 11-under for the round and chased her down. You will celebrate Seoul Sisters Majors again here...multiple times. So many of them and they're so good. Just look at last year alone. How good I have it? What other Major winners do I have other than Ariya? And no matter how many times she wins, she is just one person. It could end at any time. It wasn't too long ago that Yani Tseng looked unbeatable. Taiwanese fans had it so good. Do you think they still have it good? Meanwhile, Seoul Sisters won Majors before Yani's reign...during her reign...and after her reign...like waves that keep on coming. Seoul Sister fans should be able to absorb letdowns better because another SS will eventually step up and win big. All I have in terms of Major winners for Thai players is Ariya. At least until Jeeno arrives.
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 12, 2018 16:41:26 GMT
She's also been #1 in the world and won a Player of the Year award, and it looks likely she's going to win again this year. That's another annoying thing; you have barely any Thai players who are top ranked, but one of them gets POY. The Koreans have umpteen great players, and until last year had only managed one winning POY. And last year's POY came courtesy of a couple of major botch jobs by Thompson. I would love to see a Korean dominate the POY award again just once. Even Inbee had to hang on to her POY against a hard-charging Lewis, and she won 6 times that year. You're saying it's worse to watch Ariya dominate a tournament, nearly give it away, but get the win anyway, than it is to watch In Gee get within a shot of winning like ten times and never once finish the deal? Look! In Gee is in a playoff! Oh, never mind, Ariya just made a thirty foot birdie putt, so much for that win... In Gee just made a birdie to get into the lead at the ANA! Another Major? Oh, never mind, Lydia just stuffed her iron to a foot. In Gee has a short birdie to tie Lewis, Lewis is over the green. Oops, In Gee missed, Lewis somehow saved par... Rinse and repeat. Talk about a dependable narrative!
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Post by cannlinny on Jun 12, 2018 17:09:40 GMT
Well, at least you guys aren’t Morgan Pressel fans! 🙁
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Post by bangkokbobby on Jun 13, 2018 1:26:22 GMT
She's also been #1 in the world and won a Player of the Year award, and it looks likely she's going to win again this year. That's another annoying thing; you have barely any Thai players who are top ranked, but one of them gets POY. The Koreans have umpteen great players, and until last year had only managed one winning POY. And last year's POY came courtesy of a couple of major botch jobs by Thompson. I would love to see a Korean dominate the POY award again just once. Even Inbee had to hang on to her POY against a hard-charging Lewis, and she won 6 times that year. You're saying it's worse to watch Ariya dominate a tournament, nearly give it away, but get the win anyway, than it is to watch In Gee get within a shot of winning like ten times and never once finish the deal? Look! In Gee is in a playoff! Oh, never mind, Ariya just made a thirty foot birdie putt, so much for that win... In Gee just made a birdie to get into the lead at the ANA! Another Major? Oh, never mind, Lydia just stuffed her iron to a foot. In Gee has a short birdie to tie Lewis, Lewis is over the green. Oops, In Gee missed, Lewis somehow saved par... Rinse and repeat. Talk about a dependable narrative! It's annoying that a Thai player gets Player of the Year? Really? It's funny how you are selectively choosing times where Seoul Sisters come close but not choosing the 100+ times they've won. Or the 25+ Majors they've won, including 3 last year! Oh, and the Olympic Gold. "You're saying it's worse to watch Ariya dominate a tournament, nearly give it away, but get the win anyway, than it is to watch In Gee get within a shot of winning like ten times and never once finish the deal?"I was very clear in talking about had she lost. You clearly understood what I was saying because you replied with the point of at least she would have lost to a Major winner. So you suggesting that what I'm saying is that Ariya dominating, almost losing but then winning is worse than all the seconds...come on, stop it. We can agree to disagree but you already have shown in your previous reply that you understood what I was saying. But to make it crystal clear, check out my original post...if Ariya had blown another Major...that's what I said...not only blown the lead...which I mentioned other times...she did that. Blown the Major. That means losing, like she did at ANA. I even used the phrase "loss snatched from the jaws of victory." I specify when I mean blown lead, which I also said, and a blown Major...a loss. I might not post as often as I once did, but I still come by to read and have read the Seoul Sister website and blog, the old forum and this forum since 2004. I know your fandom for Seoul Sisters enough to know what the reaction would have been if a Seoul Sister had blown the US Open with a 7 shot lead with 9 to play...not if she still won. I was clearly talking about had Ariya had blown it, which I mean losing. If a SS had blown the lead at a Major and lost, which I thought Ariya was in the midst of doing again as she did at ANA , it would be a funeral in here. I've seen it in the past. In fact, I didn't post about Ariya last week even after I read Verdant Garden reference my Twitter out of respect for the fans here. I am a Seoul Sister fan! Had that been...dang, I hate to say this because she is such a punching bag sometimes, Cristie Kerr who had lost a 7 shot lead but still won over Hyo Joo in a playoff, I would have been upset too. Of course, I don't feel badly now...but Ariya losing after a big lead for a Thai fan is worse than a Korean player coming close. Even with all the close calls and second places...let me repeat, well over 100 victories and over 25 Majors...they JUST WON THREE LAST YEAR! if Ariya blows a Major, which she did at ANA, who else do I have? Moriya hasn't come through for a Major win. You have a buffet of players who can, and have, won Majors. As a fan of the Thai players, it would have been much worse to see Ariya blow the US Open because she's the only one I have who has proven capable of winning it. I am willing to say the hardest team in sports to qualify for is the Korean International Crown team. That's how abundant the talent is among the Soul Sisters. Without Ariya, would Thailand even be a thought for anybody as far as the International Crown? I keep thinking...going back to it...how good I have it? Compared to having the Seoul Sisters? Yeah, it's great to have one proven great for Thailand. But if I had the Infinity Gauntlet and could snap my fingers and have Thailand's LPGA abundance swapped with South Korea...you better go for the head because I'd do it in a heartbeat. Look, I feel you brother. You know I'm a Seoul Sisters fan. And I don't want to psychoanalyze things too much but it feels a little bit like maybe you're not seeing things from Ariya's point of view because in the past you've had a lot of great Korean players but you had to deal with Annika and then you had to deal with Lorena and then you had to deal with Yani and now you have to deal with Ariya. So no matter how many great Seoul Sisters have been out there it seems like, except for the period when Inbee was hot, there's always been that one player standing in the way of player of the year. Maybe I'm over-analyzing things. Tell me if I'm wrong. I can take it. But that's how it feels.
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Post by SoYeonFan on Jun 13, 2018 3:05:58 GMT
Well, at least you guys aren’t Morgan Pressel fans! 🙁 Morgan changed her swing to stand taller for more distance maybe three years ago. She started out that year playing really good. But then I think she may have stop thrusting the swing and her game suffered. She got a new coach this year and maybe she will start playing better.
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 13, 2018 16:24:28 GMT
Well, at least you guys aren’t Morgan Pressel fans! 🙁 You win! I can't beat that heartbreak (although you did get to see the unexpected Kraft Nabisco win back in the day, so it wasn't a complete bust).
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 13, 2018 16:38:23 GMT
It's annoying that a Thai player gets Player of the Year? Really? 2 Thais players have won tournaments in history. You've had 1 POY. And it looks like another is coming this year. Untold number of Koreans have won. They've had 2 (or 3? How do we count that?) POYs. Yeah, that's kind of annoying. Jiyai Shin missed POY when Ochoa made a birdie on the final hole of the year, that's how close it was. Se Ri outplayed Annika in 1998 (2 Majors to none), but Annika outpointed her. Inbee had a couple of years where you could argue she was POY (2015, for instance) but again got outpointed. It's nothing against the Thais, the Mexican situation is even more frustrating. Look, I feel you brother. You know I'm a Seoul Sisters fan. And I don't want to psychoanalyze things too much but it feels a little bit like maybe you're not seeing things from Ariya's point of view because in the past you've had a lot of great Korean players but you had to deal with Annika and then you had to deal with Lorena and then you had to deal with Yani and now you have to deal with Ariya. So no matter how many great Seoul Sisters have been out there it seems like, except for the period when Inbee was hot, there's always been that one player standing in the way of player of the year. Maybe I'm over-analyzing things. Tell me if I'm wrong. I can take it. But that's how it feels. Yup. Look, the Koreans have had a great run, no question about it. But I don't like all the Sisters equally; without question my faves are So Yeon, In Gee, Inky and Inbee. Other than Inbee, who has been injured most of the past three years, there isn't a lot of wins in that column (Inky, the one player who does win, barely contends otherwise). I could certainly use a successful KPMG is what I'm saying.
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Post by bangkokbobby on Jun 14, 2018 15:34:47 GMT
Well, at least you guys aren’t Morgan Pressel fans! 🙁 In fact, I am a Morgan Pressel fan! I especially like the work she does off the course for cancer awareness, prevention and treatment. In that way, I also admire the work Cristie Kerr has done off the course. I'm not as much a fan of Kerr on the course. But even so, I don't feel good ripping her as I have seen over the years...and at one time participated in also. I'm hopefully older and less prone to such attacks. As for HF and this back and forth, I have said what I meant to say. Been clear in my mind. At this point we just go in circles. So I will just agree to disagree.
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Post by bangkokbobby on Jun 14, 2018 19:20:27 GMT
It's annoying that a Thai player gets Player of the Year? Really? 2 Thais players have won tournaments in history. You've had 1 POY. And it looks like another is coming this year. Untold number of Koreans have won. They've had 2 (or 3? How do we count that?) POYs. Yeah, that's kind of annoying. Jiyai Shin missed POY when Ochoa made a birdie on the final hole of the year, that's how close it was. Se Ri outplayed Annika in 1998 (2 Majors to none), but Annika outpointed her. Inbee had a couple of years where you could argue she was POY (2015, for instance) but again got outpointed. It's nothing against the Thais, the Mexican situation is even more frustrating. Look, I feel you brother. You know I'm a Seoul Sisters fan. And I don't want to psychoanalyze things too much but it feels a little bit like maybe you're not seeing things from Ariya's point of view because in the past you've had a lot of great Korean players but you had to deal with Annika and then you had to deal with Lorena and then you had to deal with Yani and now you have to deal with Ariya. So no matter how many great Seoul Sisters have been out there it seems like, except for the period when Inbee was hot, there's always been that one player standing in the way of player of the year. Maybe I'm over-analyzing things. Tell me if I'm wrong. I can take it. But that's how it feels. Yup. Look, the Koreans have had a great run, no question about it. But I don't like all the Sisters equally; without question my faves are So Yeon, In Gee, Inky and Inbee. Other than Inbee, who has been injured most of the past three years, there isn't a lot of wins in that column (Inky, the one player who does win, barely contends otherwise). I could certainly use a successful KPMG is what I'm saying. Oops, missed your reply. I understand. We're good bro...I get where you're coming from. Although Ariya might win POY...I still think if everybody is healthy and playing 100 percent and my life depended on it...except for Annika, I'll put my chips on Inbee Park. I think since I've started watching the LPGA in 1998, she is the best player I've seen not named Annika. She would win POY every year if she were healthy, committed to a full schedule, etc. But as they say, if 'if' were a fifth...
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Post by bangkokbobby on Jun 14, 2018 19:28:40 GMT
Now that I think about it, what if Annika never existed...her shadow not there looming over people. How much more would Se Ri have won? Maybe she doesn't tinker with her swing as much if Annika were not there. Maybe Se Ri would have won 35+ events and 10 Majors. Maybe Se Ri is better than Inbee...but prime Annika was there.
And I should not leave out Karrie too.
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