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Post by philknj on Jul 15, 2019 18:52:14 GMT
My understanding is that the Solheims have repeatedly responded to this question that they do not want to change the format. The last time I remember them being asked was about a decade ago, but I suspect their attitude hasn't changed much lately.
This thing isn't changing one iota. This is the USA/Euro sandbox and they're not letting anyone else in, period. Heck, this is the one week every two years when the LET doesn't have to operate on fumes! The UL International Crown is raw meat tossed out to the complainers who have been shut out from Solheim all these years (which still won't help Canada, NZ, Mexico and South Africa during my lifetime).
As for a USA vs. ROK showdown, this will have to be a rogue or renegade operation conducted without the blessing of the LPGA. Let's go to Fantasy Land for a minute: Let's assume Mr. Orange was still a private citizen on January 1, 2019. He's wondering why the Korean women are so great at golf. Then he decides to get the answer in person. He announces the USA/ROK match-up for the open week between Toto and CME to be held at Trump National GC Los Angeles, about 10 miles south of LAX. Why not? It'll be a convenient stop-off returning from the Asian swing. Make it a big cash grab to lure the best players...ten players per side, $50K each for losing and $100K each for winning. Technically, it will be home field for the USA, but a big turnout from LA's K-town can help even that up. BTW, I think the USA can win it...that's not Fantasy Land. They are not the same "chokin' freakin' dogs" from yesteryear.
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Post by 18majors on Jul 15, 2019 19:30:21 GMT
philknjNo doubt, strategically Kristen should've played last week and sit this week out. There're something fishy about this DOW event; all top Americans are in the field but not from Asia nor Europe. I know neither Inkster nor Whan can force Kristen to do anything she doesn't want; but there could be soft pressure from somewhere.
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Post by legitimategolf on Jul 27, 2019 17:37:31 GMT
My understanding is that the Solheims have repeatedly responded to this question that they do not want to change the format. The last time I remember them being asked was about a decade ago, but I suspect their attitude hasn't changed much lately.
This thing isn't changing one iota. This is the USA/Euro sandbox and they're not letting anyone else in, period. Heck, this is the one week every two years when the LET doesn't have to operate on fumes! The UL International Crown is raw meat tossed out to the complainers who have been shut out from Solheim all these years (which still won't help Canada, NZ, Mexico and South Africa during my lifetime).
As for a USA vs. ROK showdown, this will have to be a rogue or renegade operation conducted without the blessing of the LPGA. Let's go to Fantasy Land for a minute: Let's assume Mr. Orange was still a private citizen on January 1, 2019. He's wondering why the Korean women are so great at golf. Then he decides to get the answer in person. He announces the USA/ROK match-up for the open week between Toto and CME to be held at Trump National GC Los Angeles, about 10 miles south of LAX. Why not? It'll be a convenient stop-off returning from the Asian swing. Make it a big cash grab to lure the best players...ten players per side, $50K each for losing and $100K each for winning. Technically, it will be home field for the USA, but a big turnout from LA's K-town can help even that up. BTW, I think the USA can win it...that's not Fantasy Land. They are not the same "chokin' freakin' dogs" from yesteryear.
Some good ideas in there. I always imagined some Korean corporation or tycoon stepping up a la the original Samuel Ryder. I also feel USA v Korea women's match would be the closest thing in the world to the original rivalry and spirit of the early Ryder Cups. The originators versus the johnny come latelys. The rightful guardians of the game vs the usurpers. And so on. I believe it would be sensational, and the huge lopsidedness of the match on paper, would make for an unbeatable narrative and spark great passion on both sides. Americans douchebags of all stripes would rally hard behind their women golfers. That said I don't see it ever happening. Way too adversarial and divisive a concept in this globalized age of ours. And there is the matter of ethnicity. Americans and Euros can go at each other, beating their chests in the name of patriotism because they all kind of look similar. Korea vs US, the battle lines would seem too ethnically-drawn perhaps. I can't fully explain it, but just doesn't feel kosher in circa 2019.
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Post by philknj on Jul 28, 2019 3:51:16 GMT
Americans and Euros can go at each other, beating their chests in the name of patriotism because they all kind of look similar. Korea vs US, the battle lines would seem too ethnically-drawn perhaps. I can't fully explain it, but just doesn't feel kosher in circa 2019.
Take a look at the fields in the big AJGA invitational tournaments...or the fields in the USGA girls and women amateur events...or the fields in the big college tournaments. If a USA vs. ROK showdown is scheduled 10 to 15 years from now, we'll beat our chests saying, "Our Asians can beat your Asians."
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Post by don on Jul 28, 2019 19:39:19 GMT
It’s women’s golf. Trust me, the crowds are not going to get out of hand.
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Post by don on Jul 28, 2019 22:33:50 GMT
The USA was willing to go like 19-3 in Ryder Cups vs GB&I but doesn’t have the guts to be the underdogs agains Korea.
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Post by don on Jul 30, 2019 14:25:02 GMT
There hasn't really been the "changing of the guard" feature article or segment that I've seen yet.
On the bubble or out for 2019 are long time US stalwarts and former participants still in their primes.
Cristie Kerr Stacy Lewis Austin Ernst Brittany Lincicome Angela Stanford Michelle Wie Morgan Pressel Gerina Piller Paula Creamer Alison Lee Brittany Lang
Players in or ascending include.
Megan Khang Marina Alex Brittany Altomare Ally McDonald Amy Olson Annie Park Jennifer Song The Kup-Show
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Post by legitimategolf on Jul 30, 2019 14:26:43 GMT
This whole subject reminds me of the final days of a going out of business liquidation sale.
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Post by don on Jul 30, 2019 14:48:29 GMT
This whole subject reminds me of the final days of a going out of business liquidation sale. The key to this stuff on the players end is having an outrageous hair dye job and special shoes.
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Post by don on Jul 30, 2019 15:48:09 GMT
golfweek.com/2019/07/28/golf-a-case-for-creamer-solheim/This take is just slightly O.B. The article I'm looking for gives the case for all the different players on the bubble so we might learn something about them. Did you know Megan Khang has still never hit a shot on Television, practically.
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Post by legitimategolf on Jul 30, 2019 16:13:40 GMT
Crazy how a dumb little exhibition event can have a such significant effect on Paula Creamer's game. Seems that she is more motivated by this event than anything else in life. Losing relevance or status on the LPGA? Eh. But getting left off of Solheim? CODE RED.
Still she must be picked if only because she will have quantifiable effect on viewership. I'd estimate at least double the audience with Paula vs without. Normally I'd say soldier on without her, but the American team is in full on crisis right about now, with several top points-earners being either non-white and/or unrecognizable to the public.
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Post by don on Jul 30, 2019 17:04:57 GMT
Marina Alex is 28 Brittany Altomare is 28 Ally McDonald is 26 Only Nelly Korda (21) and Megan Khang (20?) should be considered "inexperienced".
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Post by HappyFan on Jul 30, 2019 17:13:50 GMT
At the old Kowa Queens event, the team portion of the competition was usually a wash between Korea and Japan. But the singles were a rout. One year, the Sisters won all but one of the singles against Japan, and I think they tied the other one. And this was with the KLPGA stars, not the LPGA Koreans.
The next year, they moved the singles to the second round and finished with a team match in the finals. It was entirely an attempt to defang the Koreans, and it worked; Japan won (the points for the previous rounds were also, of course, thrown out; the Koreans dominated the singles again that year, but their points did not carry over).
So, if the Seoulheim Kup were properly organized, they could indeed make it competitive for the Americans.
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Post by HappyFan on Jul 30, 2019 17:16:56 GMT
To be honest, if this were a real competition, there would be no way Creamer makes the team. You put the young up-and-coming stars on there, not only because they are much better right now than Paula, but because they are your future and you want them to gain experience that will help in the future.
But of course, this event is actually one step up from giggle golf, so you might as well put the players on the tour that have the best Q Ratings.
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Post by don on Jul 30, 2019 17:58:33 GMT
Let's not forget Megan Khang and Annie Park were also -18 along w/ PC and MP at the DOW team event.
And they had seriously fun chemistry.
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