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Post by HappyFan on Jun 28, 2023 19:15:08 GMT
Yin is massively promising, but I don't personally believe she is the 5th best player in the world (yet). She has four career top tens on the LPGA, and has played only 25 counting events in the current two-year cycle, many of which were Epson tour or CLPGA. That's less than half of what most of the stars have done. Do you think that can compare to some of the other top ten players, who have dozens of top tens/multiple wins in 50+ tournaments? If you're getting hung up on the "25 counting events", you're forgetting that players who were in fewer than 35 events in the last 24 months will get a denominator of 35 in the Rolex average points calculation ... otherwise, Ronnie would be #2 right now, right behind The Zhangster.   Yeah, I'm aware of that, thank goodness they at least try to correct for small sample size. A few months ago everyone was claiming Vongtavaleep was about to become a superstar. I thought that was way premature. Things have settled down a bit for her lately, but I don't think that means she's terrible either. It's just that we need a bigger sample size before we make big claims! Heck, ditto for Shin Sil Bang and Min Byeol Kim on the KLPGA. Both of them had great streaks and looked like world beaters, then they had lesser events and came down to Earth a little. I think they both are going to be great, but they aren't there yet. But with Zhang and a sample size essentially of two events, she is a "generational talent" (Beth's words). She was ready to annoint Fassi a superstar based on her college record, remember? And Van Dam cause she hits it a long way. I hear there's another Euro bomber that might play over here soon, so be warned. "Averages 295 yards" I hear. Can't wait for that hype train to arrive. So in conclusion, it's possible to be excited about someone without losing one's mind! |
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 28, 2023 19:19:16 GMT
If JTibs had shot 68 or better on Sunday (like twenty other players did), this thread would have ended yesterday. Had she shot 69 (like nine other players did), she gets into the playoff and the complaints end, well, there are no complaints. ************ bing down theories applied this week.
I for one never made an excuse about why Jenny didn't win. Ruoning Yin had a great Tournament and deserved to win. My complaint was the course was dumbed down the Final Round. Also all the praise they heaped on Rose for shooting sixty-seven. When there were twelve scores of sixty-seven or better the Final Round. Round one there was four scores of sixty-seven or better, round two three and round three five. Round four twelve, so if the course wasn't playing easier. The golfers must have had an epiphany to enable them to score a lot better than the first three days. I like Jenny, but I never felt like she was going to win. For one thing, she has the slowest pre-shot routine I have ever seen. That does not scream confidence to me. But for another, she is 30 and has never been in that situation before. It just seemed really unlikely to me that she was going to have a comparably great round as Saturday, which is probably what she needed. |
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 28, 2023 19:21:01 GMT
Will Beth Ann address this? Interesting... Rose in contention last week, and yet the ratings tanked compared to Lexi and In Gee. And keep in mind that In Gee was basically the featured player on Saturday, and the ratings were much better then, too. link |
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Post by 18majors on Jun 28, 2023 21:48:35 GMT
Will Beth Ann address this? Interesting... Rose in contention last week, and yet the ratings tanked compared to Lexi and In Gee. And keep in mind that In Gee was basically the featured player on Saturday, and the ratings were much better then, too. linkI read their tweets carefully, it appears those numbers didn't include viewership through streaming. I'm also pretty sure the high rating last year wasn't because of In Gee; Lexi always draws viewers in this country. |
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Post by jamywinehouse on Jun 28, 2023 23:30:03 GMT
Will Beth Ann address this? Interesting... Rose in contention last week, and yet the ratings tanked compared to Lexi and In Gee. And keep in mind that In Gee was basically the featured player on Saturday, and the ratings were much better then, too. linkAre you trying to compare Rose’s stardom, after being professional for two events, to Lexi who has been a popular fixture for over a decade? The pushback here on Rose’s accolades by some here is wild to me. Any stars are a good thing for this tour. It means more press, more opportunities, more coverage, more money for EVERYONE. Anyone that can reinvigorate fandom for the LPGA should be seen as a win win. HF, you regularly admit that you don’t tune into final rounds when the Koreans are not in contention. Apply that logic to the audience at large, and substitute the Koreans, with whomever it is they are fervent fans of. Without that figure to get the average viewer interested, this tour can’t grow. |
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Post by haneymademedoit on Jun 29, 2023 5:06:41 GMT
Any stars are a good thing for this tour. It means more press, more opportunities, more coverage, more money for EVERYONE. Anyone that can reinvigorate fandom for the LPGA should be seen as a win win Bingo! Rose is good for the tour, as is Lexi. I want both of them to be successful. It makes the efforts of all the others more meaningful. Sure, when it's Jenny vs Rose or any of the Sisters vs Lexi, of course I will favor the sister. It's annoying that some golfers seem to get media attention far beyond others, Lexi the 'golden American,' Rose the 'new kid in town,' and there are others, but it does help the sport, the tour. One of the things that I enjoy about LPGA, and it's certainly in evidence this year, is that any week someone different can be in contention to win. I was disappointed that Jenny did not win, but I would never write off her chances. I support Six who hasn't done anything in the last 4 years but blow a definitive lead after 3 rounds in a tournament that she appeared to have in the bag last year. (Amazingly, she fought back to make the playoff but then lost.)
Look at 34 year old Ash Simon Buhai! Or Paula Reto! Two golfers with supposed promise but going nowhere for years until they won (Ash twice) in recent months. And no one could claim that SA is a stronger women's golfing country than ROK! |
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 29, 2023 20:31:44 GMT
Will Beth Ann address this? Interesting... Rose in contention last week, and yet the ratings tanked compared to Lexi and In Gee. And keep in mind that In Gee was basically the featured player on Saturday, and the ratings were much better then, too. linkI read their tweets carefully, it appears those numbers didn't include viewership through streaming. I'm also pretty sure the high rating last year wasn't because of In Gee; Lexi always draws viewers in this country. If they didn't include streaming this year, they also didn't include it last year and the comparison still stands. Unless streaming is a much more important part of viewing habits this year than last AND the streaming was far bigger this year, and I would need proof of those things. In Gee was the dominant player on Saturday's coverage, not Lexi; Thompson didn't become the story until Sunday. Yet still the ratings were bigger that day compared to this week's third round too. Why is no one ever willing to entertain the idea that maybe Americans can like In Gee, too? If it were Annika or some other Euro, no one would think it odd, but as soon as it's a Korean, it's impossible to imagine that she could draw interest here? I don't have any problem with saying Zhang is promising or even potentially great. What bugs me is when the media say things like "generational talent" or claim that when she wins her first event it will be an event that will shake the world outside of golf. Both things Beth Ann said. Meanwhile, you have players like Hye-Jin Choi come to the league who are completely ignored even though she nearly won the US Women's Open at 17. She's barely gotten any attention at all. Yes, she hasn't won yet, but even last year when she was coming into the league, it was crickets. |
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Post by HappyFan on Jun 29, 2023 20:40:22 GMT
Will Beth Ann address this? Interesting... Rose in contention last week, and yet the ratings tanked compared to Lexi and In Gee. And keep in mind that In Gee was basically the featured player on Saturday, and the ratings were much better then, too. linkAre you trying to compare Rose’s stardom, after being professional for two events, to Lexi who has been a popular fixture for over a decade? No, I'm saying that the media has done that. Beth Ann said that, if Rose didn't end up winning her *first* event a few weeks ago, the media outside of golf would obsessively follow her progress until she got her first win. That this was a story that would transcend the sport. *She's* the one who's going overboard with the expectations. I posted the above to splash some water on the hype, that's all. If Rose were really such a big deal right now, shouldn't the ratings have shown that? The pushback here on Rose’s accolades by some here is wild to me. Any stars are a good thing for this tour. It means more press, more opportunities, more coverage, more money for EVERYONE. Anyone that can reinvigorate fandom for the LPGA should be seen as a win win. HF, you regularly admit that you don’t tune into final rounds when the Koreans are not in contention. Apply that logic to the audience at large, and substitute the Koreans, with whomever it is they are fervent fans of. Without that figure to get the average viewer interested, this tour can’t grow. Firstly, I've always been skeptical of college achievements as an indicator that a player is going to be a superstar, and for every Kupcho (and I'm still not sure she's a *superstar*, but she's really good) there are many more Fassis and Amanda Blumenhursts who fizzle quickly. Personally, I think achievements on the KLPGA and JLPGA have been far more indicative that someone is ready to be great right away on the LPGA as opposed to in the future. Look at it this way: a player plays on the Epson tour for two years and racks up 10 wins. Probably good enough to be an LPGA star, but: how big a star? Can we really know based on that? And I would argue that college golfers are demonstrably less skilled on average than even Epson tour players. I'm not saying there shouldn't be American stars or knocking Zhang or saying they should not be promoted. I'm saying that, if the tour really wants to grow, they can't just promote players from Solheim countries and Americans, they also need to promote the players who dominate most leaderboards. |
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Post by don on Jun 30, 2023 3:53:19 GMT
It’s not the wins with Rose it’s the scoring average. 10th best on the LPGA is 70.1. And LPGA setups not knows as being real wood chippers.
But she has a long way to go to accomplish as much as the great Thai players.
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